Can the potara fusions be dispatched by the dragon balls?

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Can the potara fusions be dispatched by the dragon balls?
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SSJSC	Feb 22 2014, 06:40 AM Post #1
Posts: 1,024 Group: Member Member #10,761 Joined: January 23, 2014	Or would the potara earrings still be too powerful for the dragon balls to separate the joint bodies magically? If it cannot be done, do you think the black star dragon balls would work then? There's no doubt that if Goku and Vegeta don't want to stay fused permanently, they'd try to find a way to come apart as themselves again. Edited by SSJSC, Feb 22 2014, 06:42 AM.



SSJSC	Feb 22 2014, 06:46 PM Post #2
Posts: 1,024 Group: Member Member #10,761 Joined: January 23, 2014	Uh anybody knows?



* Ketchup Revenge	Feb 22 2014, 10:29 PM Post #3
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	I don't think anyone can really answer this because it would essentially be nulling magic with magic, which almost never happens in the series. The only time I can think of it happening is when Vegetto split in Boo's body. But that also wouldn't explain how Gotenks could've stayed fused in Boo for a little while before his time ran out. It seems that Metamoran fusion (The Dance) isn't subject to the same weaknesses as Potara fusion in that respect. However, my best guess is that Shenlong wouldn't be able to. Shenlong and Porunga are both subjected to the wills of the people that they're performing magic on. For example, Goku didn't want to return from Yardrat when they wanted to bring him back from there, but Porunga said he couldn't because Goku didn't want to. And Vegetto himself is technically a different individual from Goku or Vegeta, even if he's compiled from both of them. It's also possible that Shenlong or Porunga could see separating a fusion as killing someone, and that's not something that they can do. There's also the issue that Shenlong and Porunga can only perform the same magic that their master/creator can. They don't have abilities that God (Kami) doesn't, and I don't believe that separating a joined being is something that God can do. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Feb 22 2014, 10:31 PM.
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Topographic Oceans	Feb 22 2014, 10:45 PM Post #4
Posts: 1,795 Group: Member Member #10,681 Joined: January 5, 2014 Gender Male Favourite Anime Action Comics Favourite Manga Detective Comics	It's not that Shenlong can't realize wishes his creator can't and more like he can't realize wishes that mess with powers bigger than the power of his creator. After all, Shenlong is able to ressurect people after Kami outright states that he can't at the Piccolo Daimao arc. Even then, your point is still valid. I don't think the Dragons would be able to dispatch the fusions. Edited by Topographic Oceans, Feb 22 2014, 11:28 PM.
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* Crashbreaka	Feb 22 2014, 11:04 PM Post #5
Captain Oblivious Posts: 6,888 Group: Retired Staff Member #7,771 Joined: June 14, 2012 Gender Male Country New Zealand Favourite Anime Onepunch-Man, Gurren Lagann What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Seven Deadly Sins, Food Wars, Onepunch-Man	Please don't double post SSJSC, if a threads not getting much traffic then people might just not know the answer. Personally I think the rules of the Dragon are too unclear to guess. Could go either way IMO.



~~Professor Gohan~~	Feb 23 2014, 02:50 AM Post #6
Posts: 0 Group: GTFO Member #6,938 Joined: November 2, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	I don't think so. I don't think the Dragon Balls' magic would be able to compete against the Kai magic that fills the Potara earrings. Kai magic >=< Boo magic >> God's magic and power - The Dragon Balls' magic - Shenron



bloodstained euphy	Feb 25 2014, 03:46 PM Post #7
Posts: 842 Group: Member Member #7,357 Joined: February 25, 2012 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Dragonball Z, Code Geas, Dinosaur King, Sword Art Online, One Punch Man, Danganronpa What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox	Here's my opinion on the subject: The regular dragon balls can do it as long as the fused character is weaker than Shenron. Same goes for the Black Star dragon balls, which means that Black Star Shenron cannot split Super Vegetto, but can split normal Vegetto.



+ Solid Snake	Feb 25 2014, 08:00 PM Post #8
滅Are you frightened? Posts: 8,963 Group: Elite Member Member #6,739 Joined: September 11, 2011 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Dragon ball, z, gt, Naruto & Shippuden, Bleach, Rosario + Vampire What Browser do you use? Kept you waiting huh? Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Naruto, and Bleach	Ketchupis Ultionis Feb 22 2014, 10:29 PM I don't think anyone can really answer this because it would essentially be nulling magic with magic, which almost never happens in the series. The only time I can think of it happening is when Vegetto split in Boo's body. But that also wouldn't explain how Gotenks could've stayed fused in Boo for a little while before his time ran out. It seems that Metamoran fusion (The Dance) isn't subject to the same weaknesses as Potara fusion in that respect. However, my best guess is that Shenlong wouldn't be able to. Shenlong and Porunga are both subjected to the wills of the people that they're performing magic on. For example, Goku didn't want to return from Yardrat when they wanted to bring him back from there, but Porunga said he couldn't because Goku didn't want to. And Vegetto himself is technically a different individual from Goku or Vegeta, even if he's compiled from both of them. It's also possible that Shenlong or Porunga could see separating a fusion as killing someone, and that's not something that they can do. There's also the issue that Shenlong and Porunga can only perform the same magic that their master/creator can. They don't have abilities that God (Kami) doesn't, and I don't believe that separating a joined being is something that God can do. The Nameless Namekian separated his evil self to become Kami I believe. But, I reckon that the BS balls could seeing as how the Namelss Namekian is far weaker than Base Goku but the Dragon still managed it.
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+ miguelnuva	Feb 25 2014, 09:50 PM Post #9
Posts: 4,068 Group: Elite Member Member #8,291 Joined: September 16, 2012 Favourite Anime DragonBall Z What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Sailor Moon	Ultimate Shenron has no limit. He could break a potara.
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bloodstained euphy	Feb 27 2014, 08:53 AM Post #10
Posts: 842 Group: Member Member #7,357 Joined: February 25, 2012 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Dragonball Z, Code Geas, Dinosaur King, Sword Art Online, One Punch Man, Danganronpa What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox	miguelnuva Feb 25 2014, 09:50 PM Ultimate Shenron has no limit. He could break a potara. Ultimate Shenron? If you mean Black Star Shenron, then he does have a limit. Super Saiyan 4 Goku is enough to overcome the wish, and if you go by the theory that Super Vegetto >= SSJ4 Goku, then Black Star Shenron can't split Super Vegetto.



+ Solid Snake	Feb 27 2014, 08:06 PM Post #11
滅Are you frightened? Posts: 8,963 Group: Elite Member Member #6,739 Joined: September 11, 2011 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Dragon ball, z, gt, Naruto & Shippuden, Bleach, Rosario + Vampire What Browser do you use? Kept you waiting huh? Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Naruto, and Bleach	Vegito (Potara) was dispelled by Buu's magical air evem though he severly out do Buuhan as a candy, which Buu used magic for. SSJ Vegito > Buu's magic Base Goku Black star ball saga, was turned into a kid even though Piccolo, whose current self is the one who crafted the Black star bslls, is far weaker than Goku. Base Goku > Ultimate Shenron's magic The strength arguement can't work due to thid fact.
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* Ketchup Revenge	Feb 27 2014, 08:55 PM Post #12
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	xGOKUdaSAVIORx Feb 27 2014, 08:06 PM Vegito (Potara) was dispelled by Buu's magical air evem though he severly out do Buuhan as a candy, which Buu used magic for. SSJ Vegito > Buu's magic Base Goku Black star ball saga, was turned into a kid even though Piccolo, whose current self is the one who crafted the Black star bslls, is far weaker than Goku. Base Goku > Ultimate Shenron's magic The strength arguement can't work due to thid fact. Ki and Magic are two completely different forces. They aren't even related to each other. The only reason why Vegetto got diffused by Boo's body was because Boo's magical properties were stronger than the magic that held Vegetto as a fused being. And the ki vs magic theory also doesn't work because Gotenks (who's way weaker than Vegetto, and equal to the guy who absorbed him) wasn't diffused when he was absorbed. He existed inside Boo as a single being until his time simply ran out. So this means that the magic that is used to make Gotenks is apparently stronger than the magic used to make Vegetto, even if the magic that's used to make Vegetto's is supposed to be permanent. Further weak evidence to this is that Gotenks actually thinks of himself as a singular being, having a name right off the bat for himself, while Vegetto actually had to think about what his would be. So it's simply a theory, but it seems that Gotenks is more "united" than Vegetto is. However, the question would be if the Dragon's magic would be strong enough to diffuse Vegetto's magical binding. It's possible, but the dragon seems to have a rule base when it comes to granting wishes. It would really depend on if he saw separating Vegetto as "killing" a person or not.
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+ Solid Snake	Feb 28 2014, 02:03 AM Post #13
滅Are you frightened? Posts: 8,963 Group: Elite Member Member #6,739 Joined: September 11, 2011 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Dragon ball, z, gt, Naruto & Shippuden, Bleach, Rosario + Vampire What Browser do you use? Kept you waiting huh? Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Naruto, and Bleach	Ketchupis I was saying Bloodstained theory can't work because the Dragon can't grant wishes on a powerful individual if their power surpasses the creator. On top of wish that Vegito himself is a magical being (imo anyway) and SSJ4 isn't magical at all, but a TRUE evolution of the SSJ and Oozaru, it just strong enough to resist specific magical charms, one example is it reversing Goku back into a adult.
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* Ketchup Revenge	Feb 28 2014, 03:50 AM Post #14
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	xGOKUdaSAVIORx Feb 28 2014, 02:03 AM Ketchupis I was saying Bloodstained theory can't work because the Dragon can't grant wishes on a powerful individual if their power surpasses the creator. On top of wish that Vegito himself is a magical being (imo anyway) and SSJ4 isn't magical at all, but a TRUE evolution of the SSJ and Oozaru, it just strong enough to resist specific magical charms, one example is it reversing Goku back into a adult. I'll agree with you about SSj4 not being magical, but simply for the sake of argument... how do you explain the shirts that disappear and reappear upon transformation and reverting from SSj4? Goku's belt changes too... not to mention both his pants and shoes get bigger. Magic! Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Feb 28 2014, 03:53 AM.
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+ Solid Snake	Feb 28 2014, 06:49 PM Post #15
滅Are you frightened? Posts: 8,963 Group: Elite Member Member #6,739 Joined: September 11, 2011 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Dragon ball, z, gt, Naruto & Shippuden, Bleach, Rosario + Vampire What Browser do you use? Kept you waiting huh? Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Naruto, and Bleach	You got me beat on that, but I find it hard to believe. I'm gonna go with it having a bodily healing component that restores the users their looks before they were damaged, minus the Zenkais since they are using their full potential.
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